JerryB
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My neighbor had a dog that had bumps all over his forehead.......it was from chasing parked cars.
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Smaug
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In Poland, dogs of certain breeds must all be muzzled when outdoors. It's a shame, because the dogs are not inherently dangerous, they're just trained that way by the bonehead owners; it makes them feel tough. It can be a good guard dog without attacking every person who isn't its owner.
Rottweilers are one of the most intelligent dogs there is. They're quite popular as pets in the USA. They can be raised as a tame family dog, but when someone starts to threaten a family member, they will defend them. Pitbulls too! They're called "American Staffordshire Terriers" by the dog rescue places.
I had a couple of friends who live in Chicago who had a pitbull. It was very friendly, tail was bobbed and she didn't bark. When they walked her, she would always be pulling against the leash to get at whoever was walking by.... to get pet or scratched! She just wanted to be friends with everyone. ...but when people on the street saw her straining at the leash to get at them, they made a wide path around. The poor dog was just trying to make friends, but she had been pre-judged, hehehe. The woman felt very safe in the city at night with that dog; no worries at all.
m@Robertson
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Oh god yes ... if you really want to leave an impression... the 68 cal Nel Spot paint balls that are oil-based and meant for cattle-marking are the gold standard. Those were the original paintball rounds before the sport caught on and water-based paint balls were invented. I've had blood well up in the center of a hit on an arm that has taken a shot. Have caught one on the side of the head so dried oil-based paint on hair is a long, arduous cleaning job. A set of cammies only lasted a few games because you had to wash them in turpentine which just spreads the paint and softens the color a bit.
m@Robertson
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In a loving home pits are a sweetheart of a dog. And as for rottweilers, my daughter had two of them and they were each about 100 lbs of galumphing dog slobber. Total bulls in a china shop but utterly harmless. With the right owner. But being near them you may as well dress for the front row of a Gallagher show cuz you are getting wet..
pagheca
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the point I think is this: there are breeds of dogs, such as labradors or golden retrievers, that rarely attack humans (the statistics I cited say so, not me), and this is regardless of how they were trained. Other breeds of dogs, on the other hand, are particularly strong and their behavior depends strictly on how they were trained. In addition, dogs still have a certain congenital unpredictability and can break free.
On the other hand, there are people who run, ride bicycles or walk.
The problem is that people don't go around asking, "Excuse me, Sir, has your dog been well trained? May I see, please, your training license and his license as a well-behaved, unaggressive dog?" Then I can also believe if someone here tells me "ah, I have raised my rotweiller well! Don't worry!"- but in general the problem arises and it is serious.
Again: I don't say it, the statistics of the number of accidents involving aggressive breeds say that.
Then I knew about a family near Rome who had two defense rotweillers, specifically to prevent burglars from getting inside the cottage they lived in, in a rural area (house burglaries are a problem in the area: usually they are not aggressive but the damage is large). They answered only to their master, the only one who could give them orders. But then one day they returned home to found them asleep and the cottage completely burglarized.
Some time later, unfortunately, a guest child came out of the door and was severely injured. The case I reported above, which happened a few days ago near Rome, also involves "well trained" rotweillers who unfortunately managed to get out of the gate of a cottage. Result: a totally innocent death.
Is it worth it? For some, yes; for me, and for many others, sorry but no. Those are instintively aggressive animals, and must be kept away from populated areas.
In other words, a good circus trainer can make a bear friendly and sympathetic, but it's not like one can go around with a bear on a leash for that...
On the other hand, there are people who run, ride bicycles or walk.
The problem is that people don't go around asking, "Excuse me, Sir, has your dog been well trained? May I see, please, your training license and his license as a well-behaved, unaggressive dog?" Then I can also believe if someone here tells me "ah, I have raised my rotweiller well! Don't worry!"- but in general the problem arises and it is serious.
Again: I don't say it, the statistics of the number of accidents involving aggressive breeds say that.
Then I knew about a family near Rome who had two defense rotweillers, specifically to prevent burglars from getting inside the cottage they lived in, in a rural area (house burglaries are a problem in the area: usually they are not aggressive but the damage is large). They answered only to their master, the only one who could give them orders. But then one day they returned home to found them asleep and the cottage completely burglarized.
Some time later, unfortunately, a guest child came out of the door and was severely injured. The case I reported above, which happened a few days ago near Rome, also involves "well trained" rotweillers who unfortunately managed to get out of the gate of a cottage. Result: a totally innocent death.
Is it worth it? For some, yes; for me, and for many others, sorry but no. Those are instintively aggressive animals, and must be kept away from populated areas.
In other words, a good circus trainer can make a bear friendly and sympathetic, but it's not like one can go around with a bear on a leash for that...
m@Robertson
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The pit bull I am thinking of - and he's the second this particular family has had, with the first one dying of an illness, have simply been loved. No training. The most snuggly, people-friendly dogs you can think of.
You have it backwards. Its the training that is the danger. Not the dog.
www.thewildest.com
And the ASPCA's statement on the subject.
www.aspca.org
You can't tell if a human who is a prime physical specimen is a homicidal maniac. We don't keep them locked up in case they walk over and snap someone's neck. Wrong solution to the problem.
You have it backwards. Its the training that is the danger. Not the dog.
Are Pit Bulls Aggressive? This and Other Pit Bull Myths — Debunked
Many people think Pit Bulls are aggressive, hard-to-train dogs, largely because of the long-standing stigma against them. They are, in fact, quite the opposite. Here are seven myths about the breed that you can help bust.
www.thewildest.com
And the ASPCA's statement on the subject.
Position Statement on Pit Bulls
It is important to evaluate and treat each dog, no matter its breed, as an individual.
You can't tell if a human who is a prime physical specimen is a homicidal maniac. We don't keep them locked up in case they walk over and snap someone's neck. Wrong solution to the problem.
JerryB
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Years ago....I dated a girl back in college with very similar traits......she was popular at times!
m@Robertson
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Don't get me started. My own daughter observed once that I seem to have a talent for dating crazy women.
pagheca
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You can think whatever you say guys about how lovely and well-beavhed was your own pitbull or your mother-in-law's rotweiller, but this is what statistics say, despite the fact these do not represent the most popular breed (that are golden retriever).
Not enought?
"But my aunt's boa constrictor never strangled anyone!!!" Oh yeah! Probably was a well-trained-boa-constrictor...
...Back on topics:
What unfortunate children! Yet they are so cute these dogs.... Well... who cares, let's go for a free walk, Adolf!
And last but not least:
so: 2/3 of fatal dog attacks were by not-well-trained-Pitbull, and 10% by not-well-trained-Rotweiler. Right. What a nice breed are them!
"Is the owner, not the dog!" said the dead from the grave.
Source: https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/
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addertooth
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It is a matter of size. Small breeds are more likely to bite. Large breeds are more likely to make a meaningful bite when they do.
m@Robertson
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Yeah but none of those graphics disprove or even contradict that training is the problem, not the dog from birth.
There are other sources (a bit more reliable than lawyers and "sources across the web") that get into the history of breeding for aggression, and how dogs bred for fighting against other dogs (in particular the pit bull) show no inherent species-wide signs of inborn aggression against humans. The reason is easily understandable once its formally laid out: Those who bred the dogs for aggressive tendencies did so only for specific aggression against other dogs. Dogs that showed aggression against humans were immediately destroyed and their gene lines ended then and there. Fighting dogs had to be constantly handled and managed by humans. Any sign of aggression against people and that was immediately the end of that, so that trait was selected against after a century or so.
An individual dog can still act like a jerk. All creatures have individual variations. But for that you blame all dogs, not just a single or select species. Its just like how humans are all equally flawed regardless of the race they were born into. How they conduct themselves through their lives is a product of culture and upbringing (and since mental illness is a real thing we also have to take that possibility into account).
That same good friend of mine who has the pit bulls had another dog that was a harmless-looking little fuzzball. Short legs, long body. Adorable. He was a rescue from an animal shelter and flinched at loud noises and sudden moves. He'd been abused wherever it was he grew up. My friend told me after the dog had to be put down that every once in a while the dog would give him a sidelong glance and he could tell it was a nasty look. Why did he have to be put down? One day the dog just snapped and, while his owner was petting him, latched onto his arm and tore into him so bad he had to get his arm sewn up in the emergency room, and blood loss as a threat to his life was a real concern. To get the dog off of him and get medical help he had to smash him against a wall. Not an aggressive species that personal injury lawyers could highlight in a graphic.
I had a parrot I raised from infancy who I could grab by the beak and shake his head around, and he would snap at me while I tried to grab at him. If he connected, it was part of the game and he never did anything but just connect, and I never applied any force either. We were just playing. That bird could easily sever a finger if it caught you on the joint and clamped down.
So... Shoot all dogs, stomp on the snakes and whatever you do for God's sake don't talk to any parrots.
There are other sources (a bit more reliable than lawyers and "sources across the web") that get into the history of breeding for aggression, and how dogs bred for fighting against other dogs (in particular the pit bull) show no inherent species-wide signs of inborn aggression against humans. The reason is easily understandable once its formally laid out: Those who bred the dogs for aggressive tendencies did so only for specific aggression against other dogs. Dogs that showed aggression against humans were immediately destroyed and their gene lines ended then and there. Fighting dogs had to be constantly handled and managed by humans. Any sign of aggression against people and that was immediately the end of that, so that trait was selected against after a century or so.
An individual dog can still act like a jerk. All creatures have individual variations. But for that you blame all dogs, not just a single or select species. Its just like how humans are all equally flawed regardless of the race they were born into. How they conduct themselves through their lives is a product of culture and upbringing (and since mental illness is a real thing we also have to take that possibility into account).
That same good friend of mine who has the pit bulls had another dog that was a harmless-looking little fuzzball. Short legs, long body. Adorable. He was a rescue from an animal shelter and flinched at loud noises and sudden moves. He'd been abused wherever it was he grew up. My friend told me after the dog had to be put down that every once in a while the dog would give him a sidelong glance and he could tell it was a nasty look. Why did he have to be put down? One day the dog just snapped and, while his owner was petting him, latched onto his arm and tore into him so bad he had to get his arm sewn up in the emergency room, and blood loss as a threat to his life was a real concern. To get the dog off of him and get medical help he had to smash him against a wall. Not an aggressive species that personal injury lawyers could highlight in a graphic.
I had a parrot I raised from infancy who I could grab by the beak and shake his head around, and he would snap at me while I tried to grab at him. If he connected, it was part of the game and he never did anything but just connect, and I never applied any force either. We were just playing. That bird could easily sever a finger if it caught you on the joint and clamped down.
So... Shoot all dogs, stomp on the snakes and whatever you do for God's sake don't talk to any parrots.
JerryB
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A man walks in and sits at the Bar.
he looks around the room and notices a guy sitting at the other end of the Bar with a massive dog sitting on the seat next to him.
He walks over and says "Jees, that's gotta be the biggest Dog I've ever seen" the guy nods in agreement.
He then asks "Does your Dog bite?"
The guy says No, my Dog is the biggest softy.
With that the man Pat's the Dog, the Dog immediately turns and latches onto his arm throwing him to the ground, rolling him around chomping and shaking before finally letting go.
The man finally composes himself trying to stop the bleeding and shouts "You told me your Dog doesn't bite!"
The guy says, "He doesn't and that's not my Dog!".
he looks around the room and notices a guy sitting at the other end of the Bar with a massive dog sitting on the seat next to him.
He walks over and says "Jees, that's gotta be the biggest Dog I've ever seen" the guy nods in agreement.
He then asks "Does your Dog bite?"
The guy says No, my Dog is the biggest softy.
With that the man Pat's the Dog, the Dog immediately turns and latches onto his arm throwing him to the ground, rolling him around chomping and shaking before finally letting go.
The man finally composes himself trying to stop the bleeding and shouts "You told me your Dog doesn't bite!"
The guy says, "He doesn't and that's not my Dog!".
pagheca
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I promise. I will stop here. 
And as a sign of good wish I deleted my previous comment...
And as a sign of good wish I deleted my previous comment...
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I promise. I will stop here.
And as a sign of good wish I deleted my previous comment...
Yur a good person but you didnt need to delete anything mate
Everyone will do as they see fit when it comes to these animals attacking anyone...in my opinion.
Good Gentlemanly manor you have there my Friend!
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Two choices: squirt them with your water bottle, then throw your bottle at them or the better choice is pepper spray, small convenient to carry and effective when sprayed in their eyes.
