Was curious if anyone had recommendations for a mid drive fat tire bike or even something with slightly narrower tires?

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I’ve seen a lot of posts here talking about bafang motors, but I am ignorant as to mid drive bikes that can go on trails and a bit of off road capabilities

Can anyone recommend something to look at ? Thanks
 
Wow, that's a pretty broad question.

I believe your current bike (Velotric Discover 2?) can do trails and "a bit of offroad", as its tires are at least 2" wide. You'd probably want to stick to dry, hard-packed trails. You can deflate your tire toward the lower end of the spectrum, and you'll have more traction. Try that first, and bring something with which to re-inflate when you're done on the trails. You'll be surprised how well it does.

Once it gets soupy or with more loose sand and rocks, you'll want a bit wider tires with a bit more aggressive knobby tread; just realize this will slow you down on pavement.

Mid drive is not needed just because it is offroad. Mid drive can give more torque at lower speeds because it can use the bike's mechanical gears, so it's not just stuck with the one high gear ratio, like hub motors are. Mid drive are also more balanced, so they fly better. (this is another reason why the nicer electric mountain bikes are usually mid drive)

In the US, we have this brute force option, where we have a lot of 750 W hub motors on eFatties. The hub motor is so powerful that it makes enough torque at lower speeds in addition to high. We have triple the power available here, compared to the rest of the world, which is good & bad. On the good side, we have the option of more power. On the bad side, it encourages laziness in design. (more power = more torque without the need to re-design, and also allows power-focused advertising)
 
Thank you - maybe I’ll just get him the nomad 2 I have (although I do like the Discover 2 also)

Yeah Jeremy, kinda knew going into it I only had read some liked mid drive bc of weight distribution, but you got me aligned
 
Mid drive has both pros & cons:

Pros:
  • More torque in lower gears
  • Better bike balance
  • Easier rear wheel removal (i.e. to fix rear flat)
Cons:
  • They tend to be more expensive
  • They put a lot more power through the chain & sprockets, so lives of those components will be shorter
  • They contribute more resistance to pedaling than hub drive, as the rider has to turn those gears and the rotor of the motor manually if the motor is not contributing. The result is that mid drive eBikes are not as good un-powered as hub drive.
  • If you break the chain, you're walking home, where hub drives can still motor home
 
Mid drive has both pros & cons:

Pros:
  • More torque in lower gears
  • Better bike balance
  • Easier rear wheel removal (i.e. to fix rear flat)
Cons:
  • They tend to be more expensive
  • They put a lot more power through the chain & sprockets, so lives of those components will be shorter
  • They contribute more resistance to pedaling than hub drive, as the rider has to turn those gears and the rotor of the motor manually if the motor is not contributing. The result is that mid drive eBikes are not as good un-powered as hub drive.
  • If you break the chain, you're walking home, where hub drives can still motor home
I think you set me straight as he is much younger and in MUCH better shape then me - I can still get another Nomad 2 open box deal (200 off) from my LBS, so I think after reading your posts, that seems to be the wisest move - thanks!
 
I think you set me straight as he is much younger and in MUCH better shape then me - I can still get another Nomad 2 open box deal (200 off) from my LBS, so I think after reading your posts, that seems to be the wisest move - thanks!
Who is "he"?
 
My nephew
I don't know how old your nephew is or what kind of person he is, but if he's a kid, be careful about getting him anything too fast.

In most areas in the US I've searched on, Class 3 eBikes are illegal for < 16 years old, and rightfully so, in my opinion. (especially boys, who will kill themselves if not kept on a tight leash)
 
Definitely hear ya on that - he’s 25 and a responsible young man - not a risk taker ….

But to your point, yesterday I saw a near catastrophe - was driving down our main road (45 mph) and as I was approaching a stop sign, I witnessed two teens blowing right through the stop sign with their e-bikes and they were moving - a car started moving and fortunately saw them not stopping and slammed on the brakes - maybe their close call put the fear of God in them and they won’t be so reckless in the future, but who knows
 
You could always go with 3" tires on the Nomad 2 instead of the stock fatties, I believe they would fit just fine and it would still give a very nice forgiving ride, just more nimble and quick. That might turn it into a whole new bike, lots of nice choices in 26x3 inch tires.
 
Mid drive has both pros & cons:

Pros:
  • More torque in lower gears
  • Better bike balance
  • Easier rear wheel removal (i.e. to fix rear flat)
Cons:
  • They tend to be more expensive
  • They put a lot more power through the chain & sprockets, so lives of those components will be shorter
  • They contribute more resistance to pedaling than hub drive, as the rider has to turn those gears and the rotor of the motor manually if the motor is not contributing. The result is that mid drive eBikes are not as good un-powered as hub drive.
  • If you break the chain, you're walking home, where hub drives can still motor home
there is one advantage on the middrives,the slightest movement of the rear tire allows those motors to start spinning,on a hub drive you got to get a couple of poles involved to get the torque( plus the weight) the wheel has to move more to get going,OTH I had a violamart dd,that if you weren't on it and hit the throttle that thing wanted to tear itself from your grasp,a serious hub motor is its own transmission and if you are willing to work a little few places are denied you,another thing these days the local( 40 miles away) bike shop is starting to sell CYC( pretty neat-the caveat a bit more complex and 4 times the cost) if you were a "ripper" and very serious off roader that would be the way to go,
 
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