sizing second battery in 2 battery setup

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When I get a second battery for a two battery setup with a battery blender do I purchase a battery with a BMS rating that equals or is a bit larger than the controller amp rating? Or is it a cumulative kind of thing where the second battery bms Amp rating doesn't really matter?
 

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When I get a second battery for a two battery setup with a battery blender do I purchase a battery with a BMS rating that equals or is a bit larger than the controller amp rating? Or is it a cumulative kind of thing where the second battery bms Amp rating doesn't really matter?
I think I would buy a battery with a slightly higher bms amp rating than your controller. Just for a safety net.
 

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I think I would buy a battery with a slightly higher bms amp rating than your controller. Just for a safety net.
Only asking because I have a bike that has a battery that uses a 50 amp bms and would like to add the 2nd later but the 2nd only has a 30 amp bms. Hard to find a battery with 50 amp bms.
 

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Ultimately, as long as both batteries amp output is more than the controllers limit, then it's good.

BUT, do some more research, because if it were me, i'd have both batteries at the same amp output.
You can have different ah (amphours) but i'd be a bit sketched at different actual amp output..make sense?

Just my own 2 cents right there ;)
 

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Only asking because I have a bike that has a battery that uses a 50 amp bms and would like to add the 2nd later but the 2nd only has a 30 amp bms. Hard to find a battery with 50 amp bms.
Them high bms rating batts are out there. They are high priced thou. What's your controller max continuous amperage rating. I'm going to agree with Human & say, I think it would be a lot safer to run 2 batts of the same BMS rating. I also think it would help with battery life span.
 

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Them high bms rating batts are out there. They are high priced thou. What's your controller max continuous amperage rating. I'm going to agree with Human & say, I think it would be a lot safer to run 2 batts of the same BMS rating. I also think it would help with battery life span.
it's a dual motor ebike, both controllers are 25amps each....23ah 50a bms
 

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There are folks here who will certainly tell you that just asking this question is a strong indicator that your knowledge level is NOT sufficient to be "blending" two batteries.

I'm sure they will be along shortly, likely too busy pimping product to tell you this right now.

Do update your fire insurance, OK?

Using these devices is dangerous and should be avoided, you are being told they are safe and they most certainly are NOT.
 

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Yes. Asking the question means you are doing something dangerous without understanding how to stay safe, and having to rely on unknown, self-appointed internet experts to literally stay alive. Its no fun to be told that but paralleling packs shouldn't be done at all unless you are pretty well grounded in the subject already.

The right situation: have two battery packs that are exactly the same. The same cells inside, preferably from the same production batch, with the same BMS' and even the same charge cycle count on both packs. The use of a battery blender is supposed to render you immune to the problems that can occur with not doing these things. You get to decide if the Far Eastern vendor, who has no product liability, is committed to quality and even knows what they are doing in the first place.

EDIT: A short, honest and direct answer to your original question is "nobody knows" because these blenders are made by different vendors and they behave differently. Only someone who has intimate knowledge of an individual product can speak to the subject, and their answer is worthless if you jump over to a different product made by a different vendor.
 

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Only asking because I have a bike that has a battery that uses a 50 amp bms and would like to add the 2nd later but the 2nd only has a 30 amp bms. Hard to find a battery with 50 amp bms.
Bicycle Motor Works has 50a packs. That is who I buy my packs from when I parallel them (directly with no black boxes in between). Or when I set them up normally.
 

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Keep in mind that if you use a "combiner" and the battery with the 50-amp BMS rating hits its low-voltage-limit before the 30-Amp BMS battery does....
Then you will be running on the battery with the 30-amp BMS limit.

I played it safe and got two batteries with the same Amp Hour rating, and the same 50 Amp BMS limit as well.
I never run my batteries flat, but it is good peace of mind.
 

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I have two identical 48v batteries on a blender that won't show a full charge on the indicator, shows like 73% Both batteries test in excess of 48v. Thoughts?
Without an actual voltage reading, it is hard to guess. A fully charged battery measures about 54.5 (off the charger) according to my Fluke 85 meter.
ALL battery combiners "lose" voltage across them. The one I got promises it will be less than .25 Volts (250mV).

Could be batteries which are not fully charged, could be due to excessive loss across your combiner. Only a voltmeter will give you the real answer. The measurements need to be taken under load. Sitting still measurements don't give you the full picture. Voltage drop across combiners tend to be proportional to the number of amps they are carrying.
 
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