Fuse blown in battery - Emojo Caddy Pro

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My Emojo Caddy Pro is 2.5 years old . I'm embarrassed to say I follow the owner's manual and charged after every ride, no matter how short. I'm in the process of lowering the battery voltage (off the bike ) using the usb port on the battery . I had a device plugged (an extremely bright headlight) All went well for a few hours and when I checked on it it was no longer charging. Tried another device ,same thing. I pulled out the fuse from the battery and checked it with a vom. It was blown. My sight isn't too great, but I think it 30 a on the fuse. Not sure about the voltage .What could have caused this and where can I get a fuse ?
 
Post a picture of the fuse showing any numbers and we might be able to help you out.
 
Is it a blade fuse? Juiced bikes uses a standard 30 amp automotive blade fuse, if that helps as a reference. Emojo actually has a parts area on their website. You can pick out your battery and underneath there will be an ask a question form, you could see if they can verify what you need, also ask if you need two. Some bikes have slots for two.
 
most should be color coded, https://www.onallcylinders.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/08/Fuse-Amp-Rating-Color-Chart.pdf

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Was out riding yesterday with my wife and 1/2 mile from the house, her Caddy Pro suddenly lost power. Re-seated the battery a time or two and switched the battery key on and off a few times but no joy. Display would not power up. This bike has been flawless for the 3+ years we've owned it so kinda surprising. We had it out a week ago and it worked fine.
Does anybody know where or how many fuses there are in this rig that I can check? I'm assuming there's at least one in the battery and maybe one in the controller box. I'm going to tear into it this afternoon so any advice or pictures would be appreciated. I'll take a few pictures as I go too.
 
Was out riding yesterday with my wife and 1/2 mile from the house, her Caddy Pro suddenly lost power. Re-seated the battery a time or two and switched the battery key on and off a few times but no joy. Display would not power up. This bike has been flawless for the 3+ years we've owned it so kinda surprising. We had it out a week ago and it worked fine.
Does anybody know where or how many fuses there are in this rig that I can check? I'm assuming there's at least one in the battery and maybe one in the controller box. I'm going to tear into it this afternoon so any advice or pictures would be appreciated. I'll take a few pictures as I go too.
Have you checked the battery voltage ?
 
Any manner of things could be your issue. Time to get out the multimeter...Just saw a post some people have had their brake cutoffs get stuck. Try unplugging those to begin with and see if it helps.
 
Check the connector that connects the wire coming out of the frame to the wire that goes to the motor. I understand that this a common problem with some Emoji bikes/ trikes. It happened to me once.
 
Randroid - I did measure the output voltage (battery out of the bike, key turned on) when the first failure occurred at 3.09 volts, clearly bad. I will also check the motor connections.
Anneiolnie - I thought about the brake cutoffs also but they seem to be fine and besides, could they cause the system and display to shutdown and prevent rebooting? Anyway I will try disconnecting and reconnecting those cables.

But it's getting a little weirder. It's intermittent. When I quit working on the bike Sunday afternoon, I left it on the back porch. When I started working on it again on Monday 1:pm, the bike was in full sunlight and it was warmer, 65F, and it fired right up. I measured those same output pins and got a reading of 52.5 volts. So, thinking that this was a one-off random failure, I reinstalled the battery and took it for several hard and fast laps around my block and it was working fine, until it went completely dead again after about two miles. I peddled back home and proceeded to remove and re-measure the batt. output pins: 52volts. I reinstalled the battery and once again it fired right up.
So thinking that something in the battery is intermittent, I took it apart as much as possible without doing major surgery to check for a cracked fuse or a loose wire somewhere.

If you guys have the Emojo Caddy Pro, you may already know this but the fuse-holder that's accessible from the outside of the battery case is a fake. No fuse inside and the terminals of this component inside the case are not hooked to anything.

I removed 8 screws from the case and removed the top and bottom caps of the battery assembly. Unless you suspect something wrong with the connections from the bottom of the battery to the bike terminals, or you want to try removing the battery pack from its case, you could skip removing the bottom cap. All of the electronics is in the top of the case underneath the handle.

The real (30A) fuse is indeed an ATO blade fuse located internal to the case. A continuity check revealed that it was fine, but I figured I'd swap in a new one anyway. Attached are several pics of the minor surgery. The battery case is not split-able. It's a one-piece aluminum extrusion. Apparently the battery pack is meant to slide in from one end or the other and then glued in place with some white silicone adhesive. For this exercise I decided not to try to remove the pack from the case. I examined every cable and wire, replaced the fuse, unwrapped and re-wrapped the BMS circuit board (green paper) and put it all back together. 52 volts at the output connector again and the bike fires right up.

more later...
 

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Was out riding yesterday with my wife and 1/2 mile from the house, her Caddy Pro suddenly lost power. Re-seated the battery a time or two and switched the battery key on and off a few times but no joy. Display would not power up. This bike has been flawless for the 3+ years we've owned it so kinda surprising. We had it out a week ago and it worked fine.
Does anybody know where or how many fuses there are in this rig that I can check? I'm assuming there's at least one in the battery and maybe one in the controller box. I'm going to tear into it this afternoon so any advice or pictures would be appreciated. I'll take a few pictures as I go too.
I didn't want to bring this up because it doesn't sound like your problem . Several months ago I was about to take a trip to Walmart, about a mile, and before I was able to mount the trike it just died. I turned the key off and on and pressed the start button and it fired up. This happened several more times and I finally realized it only happened when the trike was stopped . I pressed the start button ( without turning the key) and it fired up . I took it to the local Emojo dealer and he said " you'll just have to get a new front wheel and motor, these are throw away bikes". I checked everything I could think of and the problem remains. Now when I'm stopped at a light or stop sign I have to keep an eye on the display and if it dies I press the start button and it fires up . I think it has something to do with the trike shutting down after it sets for a certain length of time if it's not ridden . My guess is the problem is with the controller, something I won't mess with .
 
It occurred to me after I posted that it didn't really wash with the display going out. Where is the controller on this bike? If it is in the battery bracket, then it is bound to be trouble. They get warm under the battery and the sliding in and out of it, can break solder joints. You could run some continuity tests on the wiring harness and the controller. According to the company's web site you have a Bafang motor, so that's good. There is a thread here, "Corroded Molex Connectors" where I posted some sites that help you test the controller. If it fails you can put in a new one of your own, with a new display. We just went through that on Amy Rides thread. It's basically a primer on installing a KT controller. She was an absolute trooper. You sound like you'd be fine doing the testing and if you can, post a picture of the controller.
 
I didn't want to bring this up because it doesn't sound like your problem . Several months ago I was about to take a trip to Walmart, about a mile, and before I was able to mount the trike it just died. I turned the key off and on and pressed the start button and it fired up. This happened several more times and I finally realized it only happened when the trike was stopped . I pressed the start button ( without turning the key) and it fired up . I took it to the local Emojo dealer and he said " you'll just have to get a new front wheel and motor, these are throw away bikes". I checked everything I could think of and the problem remains. Now when I'm stopped at a light or stop sign I have to keep an eye on the display and if it dies I press the start button and it fires up . I think it has something to do with the trike shutting down after it sets for a certain length of time if it's not ridden . My guess is the problem is with the controller, something I won't mess with .
What display is on this bike? Can you go into advanced settings and see what the shutdown is set for?
 
Okay, more clues but it's still broken:
This afternoon I jumped on the bike again to test out the reassembled battery. I hammered the throttle and it went completely dead before I reached the end of the street. Turned the key off and back on and it restarted. I tried this several times and eventually it would not restart. But I also tried NOT using the throttle, but just using pedal assist and it did not fail using level 1 or 2 PAS. Only when using max throttle does it fail. When in the failed state, pushing the battery level indicator button on top of the pack does nothing - no lights.
Annieolnie - the controller is directly underneath the battery so checking the connectors in there is a great idea. I remember opening up this compartment when we first bought the bike because the circuit board was just loose in there and rattling around. I wrapped it in foam I think. This will be my next move.

Although... When the battery is out of the bike and in the failed state, voltage measurement at the +/- terminals with the key on is 3.09 volts. When it's not in the failed state, the reading is 52.5 volts. This would seem to isolate the problem in the battery pack itself. Am I crazy?

I'll try the connectors in the controller compartment anyway.
 
Your symptoms are starting to sound like you may have a bad series in your battery. This happened to mine. One of the series in your battery reaches the low voltage cut off before the others. The BMS shuts the whole battery down once that happens. When you're out riding you'll be able to to turn it back on a couple of times if you keep the PAS low, but not for long. If your battery is older, all this will happen more quickly.
 
Masingil - I've watched a few videos about troubleshooting failed bike batteries. As you say, this has all the hallmarks of the BMS shutting down the pack for unbalanced cells. Just wanted to eliminate everything else first. I'll inspect everything in the area of the controller and if that doesn't pan out, I'll focus on the battery.
Does anybody on here have a schematic of the whole system, including the battery? Or know where to find one?
 
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