Thanks everyone. I am looking for a fat or some + HT. From Raleigh website for 2019 they have none that might interest me, other brands are not retailed in my area. I am not going to choose Shimano 8000, i read the 7000 produces less noise so i will try to demo that and a Specialized. Rocky Mountain only offers FS and i read their pulleys system is quite noisy but who knows. Shimano might be focussing on marketing, light and affordable and some people blindly trust them so i can see manufacturers wanting to be associated with them but i know what i want and i am in no rush to find a good match.