Bafang 1000W 250W Motor Ebike Conversion Kit Electric Bicycle Mid Drive Engine?

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Good morning too all. I have some project to build electric bike myself. Since I am good in welding I made that job well but when its come to electric I am not some expert.

That is reason why I am here :) To make long story short I want to buy this Electric engine from Ali - www.aliexpress.com/e/_oFR1Bv3

Anyone have experience with this one? Or you have any better suggestions? Thanks Folks!
 
I don't think that seller is one I would want to buy from. You also are looking at an advert that is offering the BBS01, BBS02 and BBSHD depending on what chainring you choose. The BBS01 and BBS02 are essentially the same motor but the BBS01 has the least reliability thanks to its light-duty controller. The BBS02 - if it really is the '02 with the upgraded MOSFETs that let the controller handle 750w, which I would not count on - is the one to buy over the '01. The 'HD is the most reliable of the three. Everything is upgraded to make it more robust and long-term survivable.

I would say a BBSxx motor is easily the choice with the most aftermarket knowledge and support out there in the world. That and they have a reputation for bulletproof reliability so long as you do not pick the BBS01. There is a lot you can learn about building ebikes and BBSxx installation and programming here. This is just one source out of a great many but I'm partial to this one because its my site :)
https://talesontwowheels.com/table-of-contents/
 
I bought my BBSHD kit from that vendor, Greenergy, and I had a positive purchase experience. In fact, during the purchasing process, I forgot to choose between the brake magnetic cut-off switches and the brake levers. They sent neither but upon contacting them about it, after I had received the kit, they promptly mailed me, without charge, the brake levers. I only bought the motor kit from them, I went with a different vendor for the battery.

What is bad about the Bafang kit, from any vendor, is the wrench they provide to tighten the motor lock nut. They provide a torque rating but the tool is a hand wrench. To set the proper torque you need a socket and a torque wrench. And their torque is quite low - I think, 30 ft-lbs. My nut got loose twice. I torqued mine to 60 and added a second nut.

The other thing to be aware of is the chain line. You may need a front sprocket with a larger offset, about 20 mm, than the one that comes with the kit. Measure your bike’s current offset before you remove the bottom bracket. Generally, if you have a triple front sprocket, you will likely need the larger offset. I got two on aliexpress and after 500 miles, the first one is still holding up well.
 
Good advice here so far. I did a BBSHD 3 years ago and love it. I would expect to pay at least 500 extra for aftermarket parts, more if you like fancy. In addition to the specialty wrench, and a different chainring as Chuy mentioned; you'll want better crank arms too. The ones that come with the kit do not have the correct Q-factor. It's important to make riding and even sitting on the bike feel balanced.

The settings that make the motor do it's thing require a bit of tweaking to make it ride well. The factory setting will work, but most people end up changing them to suit their riding style.The controllers that come with the kit are reprogammable, but you'll need to hook it up to a computer/laptop via USB to change the settings. I recommend purchasing a different controller that allows you to change the settings via Bluetooth. I purchased an Eggrider controller. Its nice, but it is small and can be challenging to see some of the measurements on the screen. You can see the important stuff pretty easily.

If you go 52V Bafang Mid-drive kit, these are my recommended upgrades: 42T Lekkie Bling Ring or comparable other similar version, 170mm Lekkie Buzz-bars, Bluetooth controller like the Eggrider. Those seem to have made the most difference for me. If you're feeling randy...think about upgrading to Hydraulic brakes. That's the winter project on my bike.

Don't worry too much about the electrical stuff. The stuff that comes with the kits are connectorized and color coded. It's pretty hard to mess up. There are tons of videos. I purchased my stuff from Johnnynerdout.com. He's has a very fine shop and has been great to work with. One last thing...unless you're worried a lot about weight, get the biggest battery you can fit in the triangle area of your bike's frame. I got the 17.5aH one. It will go a great distance. Over 20 miles throttle only in moderate hills. I'd expect it would go at least 60-70 miles if I pedal.
 
I bought my BBSHD kit from that vendor, Greenergy, and I had a positive purchase experience.
Actually I have bought from them too, but it was a hub motor kit. Everything worked although the controller was awful. Frankly I did not notice who the vendor was and instead I focused on the fact they did not overtly tell you which motor you are getting. Instead they give you chainring options and you had better be paying attention to which motor goes with which. Over and above that, I do not ever buy BBSxx Bafang mid drives from AliExpress, and instead opt to buy from a VERY limited list of USA vendors whose motors I KNOW contain the controller they say they do, and have no surprises. In fact I just bought a 68-73mm BBSHD from Luna Cycle and they are my absolute preferred vendor (and are US$100 cheaper than the next company I would buy from: California Ebike. The third and very last vendor on my list is JohnnyNerdout.com who seems to have quite a loyal customer following, but his prices are the highest of the three.
What is bad about the Bafang kit, from any vendor, is the wrench they provide to tighten the motor lock nut. They provide a torque rating but the tool is a hand wrench. To set the proper torque you need a socket and a torque wrench. And their torque is quite low - I think, 30 ft-lbs. My nut got loose twice. I torqued mine to 60 and added a second nut.
This is a colossally important point. I gave just the Table of Contents page link above, but this article addresses that issue in detail, lists tool options and gives specifics on the options to use, and the ones to stay completely away from. The title says 'BBSHD' but its equally true for the entire Bafang DIY motor family.
https://talesontwowheels.com/2024/07/31/how-do-i-mount-a-bbshd-so-it-never-moves/
The other thing to be aware of is the chain line. You may need a front sprocket with a larger offset, about 20 mm, than the one that comes with the kit. Measure your bike’s current offset before you remove the bottom bracket. Generally, if you have a triple front sprocket, you will likely need the larger offset. I got two on aliexpress and after 500 miles, the first one is still holding up well.
If he opts for a BBS01/BBS02, he's not going to get anywhere near 20mm just because the motor is different in that regard. However, that won't stop sellers from claiming otherwise. Especially on Ali.
https://talesontwowheels.com/2024/05/13/how-to-measure-chainring-offset-properly/They are inexpensive and their offset claims are often bogus, but the Gustavo rings sold on AliExpress are hitting WAY above their weight class. Lekkie remains the gold standard and if you can afford them, thats the way to go, but a Gustavo is going to work just fine as well. Shockingly, its a cheap AliExpress part that is 1/5 the price of the name brand that is well worth the price and then some.
 
...you'll want better crank arms too. The ones that come with the kit do not have the correct Q-factor. It's important to make riding and even sitting on the bike feel balanced.
I'll expand on that a little and say the goal is not so much to have crankarms centered under you as it is to have the pedals centered under you. That means you have a more options than just changing crankarms. The standard-issue BBS02 arms are both straight. No non-drive-side offset. BBSHD crankarms are SUPPOSED to come with crankarms that have an 18mm non-drive-side offset (it sticks out 18mm further on the left). This should get you pretty close to centered UNLESS you have to shim the motor to some degree to get the secondary gear housing to not touch the chainstay. Regardless, you want to, during your build, measure how far away from each chainstay each of your crankarms are, and then solve for that difference.
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That picture shows forged Shimano crankarms that are not going to work on this 68mm bottom bracketed frame. You can buy a set of offset crankarms. The Bafang stock chainrings with the 18mm offset will go a long way towards fixing this unevenness and are (barely) adequate otherwise. You can fine tune the process with putting just one pedal washer on one side, and no washer on the other for a 3mm correction. You can also use a pedal extender on just one side for a 20mm correction. Or - if and only if your body ergonomics like a wide Quack Factor - do combinations of washers and extenders to widen the pedals but still center them under you. In addition to Lekkie and Shimano, Miranda sells forged crankarms that have a non drive side offset for around US$70. If you are pedaling, measure the distance to the inside of each pedal and spend some time figuring out how to get the pedals centered.
The settings that make the motor do it's thing require a bit of tweaking to make it ride well. The factory setting will work, but most people end up changing them to suit their riding style.
I'll go further and say the factory settings are garbage. Especially if you want to pedal, but the clunky motor engagement that comes on hard and strong is part of the reason Bafang mid drives have a reputation for wearing out drivetrains. You can totally eliminate this rough behavior, totally change the character of the motor, still deliver 1750w of power with a BBSHD (52v battery and 30a controller) and have zero extra drivetrain wear. But you have to make the (inexpensive - just buy a US$20 cable) effort to change the motor settings.
https://talesontwowheels.com/2023/08/09/bbshd-settings-for-a-pedaling-cyclist-2023-edition/
... an Eggrider controller. Its nice, but it is small and can be challenging to see some of the measurements on the screen. You can see the important stuff pretty easily.
The ER is actually just a display, not the controller. It gives access to the settings interface, but as you say its OLED display is almost worthless in bright, direct sunlight. Also Eggriders have a phone home feature in them, among others, that can occasionally brick the display, or the app or even the bike. Over the history of the ER v2.0, it seemed like there was a never-ending stream of new ways for it to go haywire after a firmware update, and the ER user groups never stopped having reported problems. The one I own has lost its ability to contact the ER site and as a result I can still ride the bike, but I haven't been able to get firmware updates for years. So if it works its great but it doesn't, always. I go over other options in the linked article above. My personal preference is the Speeed app (use three e's), but more recent Android phones require extra steps to get it installed. The tried and true method used for many years is to use a standard Bafang cable, a laptop and the Penoff Windows app.
 
I don't know why this chart is becoming so hard to find. It is suppose to be on Bafang's USA direct site. Maybe m@ has it somewhere in his data base. I found a print of it on Reddit. If you enlarge it so, an inch is an inch it can be very helpful in deciding what sprocket you have clearance for.
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Its been awhile since I have seen that, and yeah I used to have that image stashed somewhere. Not something I really need anymore as I have so many different chainrings I kind of just know whats going to work now. One thing that chart can't account for is if you need to shim your motor to clear your chainstays.

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"Bafang USA Direct" looks to be dead as a web site at least at the moment. Thats just some seller who decided to use the Bafang name in their web site url. I try and stay away from buying from them as I have heard some horror stories. I have bought some small parts from them but thats it.
 
Ah, another imposter. This chart did help me on my first build, because I couldn't visualize exactly what was going on.
 
Good morning too all. I have some project to build electric bike myself. Since I am good in welding I made that job well but when its come to electric I am not some expert.

That is reason why I am here :) To make long story short I want to buy this Electric engine from Ali - www.aliexpress.com/e/_oFR1Bv3

Anyone have experience with this one? Or you have any better suggestions? Thanks Folks!
just one thing, beware of 2nd sellers on ebay,amazon. & walmart. they will dump a defective kit on you That may include
anything coming from Vegas! P.S. it's a motor, not an engine.
 
I have a Bafang 01 mid drive 500 watt kit fitted to my Boardman hybrid which is the 2 nd bike it’s been on had it for around 4 years now. Only problem I ever had was the motor coming loose so I fitted a stabiliser bar which I purchased from EBay which solved the problem, also the 48volt battery needed replacing as I left it all winter without charging it up .That seems an excellent price so I would go for it, I purchased a scanner for my Audi from Aliexpress and it arrived quite quickly so I had no problems with them. If you have any problems with fitting there’s loads of helpful videos on Utube which has helped me out loads of times.Good luck with the conversion I’m sure you’ll be happy with the result.
 
Good morning too all. I have some project to build electric bike myself. Since I am good in welding I made that job well but when its come to electric I am not some expert.

That is reason why I am here :) To make long story short I want to buy this Electric engine from Ali - www.aliexpress.com/e/_oFR1Bv3

Anyone have experience with this one? Or you have any better suggestions? Thanks Folks!
I'm a naysayer.
I'm a bit careless with my ebikes - have 4 & accidentally drop my in use one on its side fairly regularly.

My mid drive motor was my first choice & reputable known brand here, but the crank (pedal lever) being all in one is very bad idea. First time I dropped it on its side the crank bent like lead into the body of the bicycle, but was impossible to bend out again without mechanical intervention making it impossible to ride in the interim - leaving me to walk to nearest bicycle chain-store (long way) who refused to fix it BECAUSE it's an ebike.

I also found the centre motor scrapes on gutter when I need to cross busy road without intersection & on foot ( we ride on footpaths here) forcing me to have to lift the whole bike rather than lift one wheel at a time up or down the gutter,

My other 3 ebikes are front wheel hub motors, all from AliExpress. I'm a satisfied AliExpress customer & love my front wheel hubs & find thumb throttle is less likely to lose traction than twist throttle.

Only alteration I've made is changing the 3 motor connectors from controller to battery for Anderson Power pole connectors. The stock connectors tend to overheat & melt cables into one blob - which is no different to some meltable plastic pulley wheels put into General Motors Holden engine bays.

Despite language barrier many AliExpress sellers will happily answer any technical question. Asia after all is (historically) where the best computers & electrical goods are made & rebranded for sales globally.

That's my experience over past 5 years my AliExpress hub motors still going strong - only failures I've experienced are the battery cells.
 
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